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[0:14] what we're really hoping to do in this
[0:19] short time that we have together is be
[0:23] in what we feel is an opening space
[0:28] around looking at what is does it mean
[0:30] to be an activist how how do we bring
[0:35] ourselves to our work in a way that our
[0:40] own process is creating the kind of
[0:43] world that we want uh there's you know
[0:46] nothing better than a peace activist
[0:48] like really being loud and violent and
[0:52] screaming and fighting and in battling
[0:54] for war there's an inherent
[0:56] contradiction that a lot of us are
[0:58] starting to wrestle with that to think
[1:01] about so there's the the big question
[1:04] about what are the results of our own
[1:07] process as we are fighting for working
[1:10] for change and then there's the question
[1:12] of how are we on the
[1:14] inside uh if we're trying so hard to
[1:17] create a world that is more just and
[1:20] fair and peaceful and um loving and
[1:23] compassionate what's going on on the
[1:25] inside of us and what are the skills and
[1:27] the tools that we need um
[1:31] to create that on the inside which then
[1:33] of course out pictures what's going on
[1:36] on the outside what is the relationship
[1:38] between our inner landscape and our
[1:40] external World these are some of the the
[1:42] questions that the panel is going to be
[1:46] exploring and I want to just kick off a
[1:49] little bit by telling you how uh this
[1:52] panel came into existence um and it
[1:56] requires a little bit of personal
[1:58] context uh which is that I I had been
[2:02] for like the first 20 years of my
[2:04] professional career a professional
[2:06] Advocate I was born my parents were
[2:08] civil rights activists and I went to law
[2:11] school and I worked in the state
[2:12] legislature and city council and I went
[2:15] to work for getting close to a decade uh
[2:18] at Planned
[2:19] Parenthood and was deeply immersed uh in
[2:22] sort of the traditional Mo modes and
[2:24] mechanisms of
[2:26] activism and over
[2:30] many many years I I just had this deep
[2:34] feeling inside that something was
[2:36] missing something was wrong um there was
[2:40] a lack of
[2:41] integration between the deep deep hunger
[2:44] I had for the kind of world a loving
[2:48] World loving relationships and and what
[2:52] was happening all around me there just
[2:54] seemed to be a disconnect I couldn't put
[2:55] my finger on it I didn't have the
[2:57] vocabulary for it and and uh then I
[3:01] started bumping into literature and
[3:03] classes and teachers and things that go
[3:06] back you know through the Millennium
[3:09] wisdom Traditions cross culture around
[3:12] the world this question of how do we be
[3:14] 100% has been a question ever since
[3:18] humans could communicate about what our
[3:19] questions were and I discovered a place
[3:23] called Omega Institute which is where
[3:25] where I've been working for almost the
[3:27] last seven years and Omega is really
[3:30] committed to this integrated approach to
[3:32] personal and social change how do we
[3:34] awaken the best in the human
[3:36] spirit and as I got to know the many
[3:40] many teachers who come through Omega and
[3:42] all three of my co-panelists have been
[3:46] teachers at Omega one of them who I met
[3:49] was Sharon
[3:51] salsburg and you know I was introduced
[3:54] to her oh let me introduce you to Sharon
[3:56] salur she's a leading meditation teacher
[3:58] in the United States uh hi Sharon nice
[4:01] to meet you you know and we went away
[4:02] merry way couple years in a row see
[4:06] Sharon at Omega hi Sharon nice to see
[4:07] you yes nice to see you and then even
[4:11] though I was and am very immersed in
[4:13] omega's work you know there's that piece
[4:15] of me that activists you can't take the
[4:17] activist the action out of the activist
[4:20] person so I uh began coming to the
[4:22] netroots nation's
[4:25] conferences uh which began I think this
[4:27] is the 7th or something and I've been to
[4:29] many of them and I was walking around
[4:32] didn't really recognize many people but
[4:35] walking around and literally like we
[4:39] back into each other and she Sharon
[4:41] looks at me she's like what are you
[4:42] doing here and I'm like what are you
[4:44] doing here and we had this conversation
[4:47] about the cleave between these two
[4:50] universes the universe of the people who
[4:52] are meditation mindfulness practitioners
[4:55] yogis people who are interested in
[4:57] matters of the heart and uh inner peace
[5:00] and the people who are activists who are
[5:02] working for outer peace and why is this
[5:06] cleave between these two worlds and how
[5:08] might they be integrated and hey maybe
[5:10] someday we should teach something at
[5:11] netroots this was about three years ago
[5:14] anyway here we are we have been joined
[5:16] by uh two other um amazing one is a a
[5:21] yogi activist and the other is an
[5:22] activist coming to yoga and so we're all
[5:26] uh in this new inversion named field
[5:30] together and looking for language
[5:32] looking for ways to articulate it so
[5:34] that's that's how we come to you today
[5:37] and um before I
[5:40] introduce uh my colleagues I want to
[5:44] just share with you a story that a very
[5:47] renowned Buddhist teacher tikn Han uses
[5:51] to
[5:53] explain this challenge that our
[5:56] interdependence with each other creates
[5:59] in terms of how we relate to each other
[6:00] and how we solve problems and he does
[6:03] this very beautiful story about the
[6:04] right hand and the left hand that uh
[6:09] know each other very well they act
[6:11] independently my right hand can go over
[6:13] here and my left hand can go over here
[6:16] or they can act in unison but they have
[6:18] an inherent knowing of each other and if
[6:20] my left hand were to do something that
[6:23] really made my right hand angry my right
[6:26] hand would not cut off my left hand it
[6:29] would would not hurt my left hand it
[6:32] would do something different with the
[6:34] anger that it had towards the left hand
[6:37] because it knows inherently that it is
[6:39] completely interdependent and
[6:40] interconnected with the left hand and
[6:43] this is what we all are with each other
[6:46] we are interconnected and interdependent
[6:49] and what does that mean and the the
[6:51] questions that we're asking are what
[6:53] does that mean for our activism as
[6:55] individuals and as collective trying to
[6:57] build a better world so how is everyone
[7:00] doing this
[7:02] morning good right so I'd like to talk
[7:05] to you a little bit about my work and
[7:08] then we're going to do a little
[7:12] movement don't be alarmed you don't have
[7:15] to do
[7:16] it I'm just going to invite you to uh do
[7:19] it along with me so a little bit about
[7:21] my background um is Carla
[7:25] explained I was I was born in Toronto
[7:27] and and uh born during the Civil Rights
[7:30] uh movement and I must have come in as a
[7:33] baby with two fists left ready to get F
[7:37] so I don't know if it was the energy
[7:38] from my Scottish Irish grandmother with
[7:41] that fiery Feist or my Jamaican Rebel
[7:45] background uh or my parents spoke being
[7:47] civil rights activists but um I
[7:50] certainly uh was born into a family with
[7:53] great teachers my two parents and uh my
[7:57] parents really uh over came a lot of
[8:02] discrimination um I was uh grew up in an
[8:05] allwhite neighborhood and it was tough
[8:09] it was really tough and I I feel very
[8:12] blessed to have learned tools at a very
[8:15] young age how to deal with
[8:17] [Music]
[8:19] discrimination and how
[8:21] to become an agent of change and my
[8:24] mother who was let's just say um she was
[8:28] the mix race and she could pass for
[8:31] white uh her siblings all married
[8:35] someone of European descent so my
[8:37] cousins are all blonde blue eyes my
[8:39] first cousin's on my mother's side but
[8:41] my mother chose a different path and she
[8:44] married my father who was of Jamaican
[8:47] descent very dark very very dark so uh
[8:51] during segregation they had a lot of
[8:55] trouble so um I remember my mother as as
[8:59] a small child child I remember um you
[9:02] know kids used to tease me and so there
[9:05] there was a lot of uh difficulty there
[9:08] and my mother gave me some really smart
[9:10] tools and you know like say Mom I was 3
[9:13] years old I remember this kids called me
[9:15] chocolate pudding at school and she said
[9:17] sweetheart just call them
[9:21] snowball and and and maybe that's not
[9:24] you know the the best tool but she
[9:26] really taught me emotional how to build
[9:28] my emotional uh intelligence so we have
[9:31] our IQ and the EQ becoming
[9:35] self-aware and so I remember when she
[9:39] was a politician and she was in a her
[9:43] constituency was about 70%
[9:47] Jewish and her opponent said that she
[9:51] was anti-semitic now here she was a
[9:53] human rights commissioner but he was
[9:55] desperate so he decided let me just tell
[9:59] it everyone spread the rumor that she's
[10:03] anti-semitic so I watched my mother
[10:06] navigate through the
[10:07] situation and you know a lot of anger
[10:10] arose I remember feeling really angry
[10:13] how could he do that he was pulling down
[10:14] her signs and I said Mom go fight them
[10:16] she remained very calm and I always like
[10:19] to say like water off of the duck's back
[10:22] she just stayed within her inner
[10:25] calmness and
[10:27] peace and within a day one of Canada's
[10:31] top rabbis Rabbi PL endorsed her on the
[10:35] front cover of every newspaper end of
[10:38] story done deal so she had the option to
[10:42] go and fight with anger stoop to his
[10:45] level and it get dirty and it gets very
[10:47] messy and really no one gets anywhere
[10:50] because there's no way to win but when
[10:52] you stay in graes and
[10:54] Empower that's when you can transform so
[10:57] I learned at a very young age to
[10:59] transform form of
[11:00] compassion then there was my own
[11:02] transformation because I really didn't
[11:04] like myself because my skin was too
[11:07] black uh I my thighs were too thick um
[11:12] my hair was too
[11:13] curly so I had this this feeling and on
[11:17] several levels maybe I felt good about
[11:20] myself but deep down I really didn't
[11:22] feel that good about myself so I I was
[11:26] apologizing for who I was cuz when I go
[11:28] into the black neighborhood Hood I
[11:30] wasn't black enough when I'd be in the
[11:32] white neighborhood I was too black so I
[11:35] couldn't quite figure out where I
[11:37] belonged so I apologized for who I was I
[11:41] let myself shrink down didn't want to
[11:43] shine my light so by doing that I
[11:47] started you know I smoked I drank all
[11:50] kinds of things to abuse myself to prove
[11:52] that I could be cool right so that
[11:56] didn't that wasn't really sustainable
[12:00] um so I had to go into my heart and
[12:03] really figure out how to get back on
[12:07] track and Alvin Aly I remember seeing
[12:10] Alvin Aly when I was a little girl and
[12:12] just seeing the power and beautiful
[12:16] images and the spirituality and the will
[12:21] of and Grace and in motion and so I uh
[12:26] auditioned for alvan and I went and
[12:28] trained there and from there I learned
[12:30] about yoga this was over 20 years
[12:33] ago and yoga has been a
[12:36] wonderful uh a wonderful tool a
[12:39] wonderful practice for me to be able to
[12:42] remove the obstacles Within Myself and
[12:45] the biggest tool that I've learned is
[12:48] the tool of
[12:51] non-judgment because the first thing
[12:53] that I want to do is I want to judge
[12:56] myself I want to say I'm not this I'm
[12:58] not that and then I start judging other
[13:01] people she's not this she's not
[13:04] that and that has been something that I
[13:07] work on every single day and through
[13:10] yoga the idea is is to the word comes
[13:14] from yoke to unite so I was thinking in
[13:18] my meditation this
[13:20] morning that we're all like an egg when
[13:23] we come into we are eggs
[13:25] actually when we come into this world so
[13:28] we come in whole
[13:31] and then something happens to us along
[13:33] our process we have things happen and
[13:36] we're like Humpty Dumpty and we fall off
[13:39] the wall and we shatter into many broken
[13:44] pieces within ourselves and outside and
[13:48] often times as I've learned along this
[13:50] journey that the internal what's going
[13:53] on the internal
[13:55] terrain and the external terrain the
[13:57] external is it direct through ction of
[14:00] what's going on
[14:01] inside so when I'm fragmented and
[14:04] feeling disconnected within I am feeling
[14:07] fragmented and disconnected with my
[14:09] community with those around
[14:11] me so the practice of yoga is to unite
[14:16] the Mind versus starts with the thoughts
[14:18] so when you go into the poses with the
[14:20] AOS and you connect with the breath and
[14:22] breath is life when you go into the
[14:25] poses the immediate thing to say is I
[14:27] can't do it I'm going to break something
[14:29] going to tear right anyone do yoga does
[14:32] anyone okay so you most likely have gone
[14:35] through this process and then the whole
[14:38] thing is is that you have the emotional
[14:40] thing that comes up you know you feel
[14:43] like oh you know I just I'm not what am
[14:45] I here for a lot of emotions might come
[14:48] up and then you have the this the will
[14:51] can I do it and that's deciding factor
[14:55] can I do it or can't I do it and that's
[14:57] the spirit your spirit that breaks
[14:59] through so with the breath coming back
[15:01] into breath you're able to unite and
[15:03] Yoke the Mind Body Spirit which connects
[15:07] you to your purpose and coming into
[15:10] activism from the inside out from that
[15:13] note I'm not going to take up all the
[15:14] time but I'd like to share a couple of
[15:17] tools with you so I invite you to put
[15:20] your feet flat on the
[15:23] floor and take a
[15:25] moment just to close your eyes and and
[15:29] to connect with your
[15:31] breath and to feel
[15:33] yourself in your seat in this present
[15:36] moment and your sitting bones connected
[15:39] to the floor your feet to your seat your
[15:41] feet are connected to the floor and feel
[15:43] the energy of the earth feel yourself
[15:45] present in the earth and then bring that
[15:48] energy from the Earth all the way up
[15:50] through your feet through your knees
[15:52] into your hips into your heart your
[15:54] shoulders top of your head all the way
[15:56] up through the crown of your head and
[15:58] imagine your connecting to the Sun the
[16:01] center of the Sun and bring that sun
[16:04] with heat and warmth and light and peace
[16:07] and love and joy all the way down back
[16:09] through the crown of your head and into
[16:11] your heart connect with your
[16:14] breath and inhale and bring your right
[16:17] arm all the way up toward the sky spread
[16:19] your fingers wide like rays of a sun
[16:22] inhale and then exhale and switch arms
[16:25] and take a big stretch breathe into it
[16:28] reach for with the left arm good inhale
[16:31] MX with the right as high as you can
[16:34] good still feeling connection to Earth
[16:37] and Sun and with the left good now bring
[16:40] your arms all the way up now here's what
[16:42] we're going to do we're going to restore
[16:44] our nervous systems here so if you have
[16:47] any anger anything that you want to
[16:49] release I'm inviting you now just to
[16:51] Flap your wrist and use your breath and
[16:55] start flapping your wrist now if you
[16:57] haven't had your morning coffee you do
[16:59] this for 30 seconds and I promise you
[17:02] you'll feel better keep going stay with
[17:05] your breath and just shake your arms as
[17:06] fast as you can good just get rid of
[17:09] whatever you don't need whatever is not
[17:11] serving you let go go breathe breathe
[17:13] breathe you have 10 seconds F again 9 8
[17:16] 7 6 5 4 3
[17:20] 2
[17:22] Go shake it out great job good we'll
[17:26] just do one more exercise and then I
[17:29] will pass it over to
[17:31] Sharon so here talk a lot about
[17:34] compassion in the heart so bringing us
[17:37] into the heart you can just stay there
[17:39] exactly how you are you're perfect
[17:42] you're going to inhale and lift your
[17:44] heart all the way up toward that thg
[17:45] squeeze your shoulder blades together
[17:48] and then you're going to Exhale and
[17:49] round your spine really round your spine
[17:52] drop your chin straight to your heart
[17:55] and again inhale lift your heart all the
[17:57] way up imagine beams of FL some like
[17:59] filling your heart and then exhale
[18:01] around your
[18:04] spine big breath in open your heart wide
[18:07] fill it up with that light and exhale
[18:12] round last one big breath in fill
[18:16] yourself up moving that energy up your
[18:18] spine into your heart and exhale
[18:21] that beautiful job place your hand on
[18:24] your heart take a couple of deep breaths
[18:28] and feel your power fill your light and
[18:30] fill your energy thank you so much and
[18:33] I'd like to pass it over to the
[18:35] wonderful Sharon ss
[18:40] pro one of the um things I've been
[18:44] looking at in my own life and my work
[18:46] and one of the panels I was recently on
[18:49] in a science
[18:50] conference uh was actually it was almost
[18:53] like taking apart the nature of
[18:55] compassion and being able to distinguish
[18:58] it from other things things like
[19:01] empathy and that I thought would be an
[19:03] interesting thing uh to begin bringing
[19:06] up here
[19:07] because while empathy was considered
[19:11] necessary and uh essential for the the
[19:16] bringing forth of compassion really
[19:18] being able to resonate to know deeply as
[19:21] caros said our
[19:22] interdependence to sense what it would
[19:25] feel like to be so alone or cut off or
[19:28] uh to be silenced to feel abandoned and
[19:32] we know that if we have been in touch
[19:35] with our own states of feeling abandoned
[19:38] and cut off and silenced and so on we
[19:40] can we can
[19:42] resonate but sometimes we actually tune
[19:44] into someone else's state of suffering
[19:47] whether it's personal like a family
[19:48] member or it's in an organization or a
[19:50] community or it's this kind of global
[19:53] sense of disaster it's like sometimes we
[19:56] tune into that that feeling and it's a
[19:59] it's a deep feeling that Resonance of
[20:02] suffering and we're terrified it's like
[20:05] way too much we just think I got to go
[20:08] away I've got to shut down I've got to
[20:10] look at something else and I've got to
[20:12] call this something else disguise it
[20:15] nicely or we
[20:19] feel shattered broken
[20:22] overwhelmed or we start blaming people
[20:26] like I told you what to do I told you
[20:29] who to vote
[20:31] for I told
[20:33] you
[20:35] unsolicited what you should be doing to
[20:37] get better whatever it might be and we
[20:40] fall into that and sometimes we fall
[20:42] into that kind of funny state it's like
[20:45] we've almost feel like we have to seize
[20:47] control of the situation that feeling
[20:49] that sense of being powerless powerless
[20:52] or helpless is so
[20:54] unbearable that instead of like resting
[20:57] with that feeling and seeing what
[21:01] emerges from that we we just get like
[21:05] super impatient and controlling like do
[21:08] this and it's all going to work out by
[21:11] next week or you know I've got a long
[21:13] list of people so I need you to hurry up
[21:16] and get better or see things this way
[21:18] because I've got to move on or something
[21:20] you know there's so many ways we might
[21:23] respond to a very genuine sensing of
[21:25] suffering and and one way is comp
[21:29] passion so I'm almost trying to school
[21:32] myself to call it the compassionate
[21:34] response rather than
[21:36] compassion um which I you know I talk
[21:39] about is being like a moving toward a
[21:42] being
[21:43] with and it's got certain
[21:45] characteristics that may not be so
[21:48] present in all those other reactions
[21:50] like sometimes I think it really rests
[21:53] on knowing our own
[21:55] vulnerability it's so easy to think of
[21:57] compassion almost this kind of weird
[22:00] thing like you know I whose life is so
[22:03] together I'm way over here and I'm kind
[22:05] of bestowing this kindness on you way
[22:07] down there cuz you've Fallen apart you
[22:10] know and never happened to me cuz guess
[22:13] what you know it's not like I'm trying
[22:16] to imply that we all bear the same
[22:18] measure of suffering because I of course
[22:20] don't believe that but that
[22:24] vulnerability that sort of the tensi
[22:27] liveness of life it's like any single
[22:30] one of us can walk out of this room turn
[22:32] on those cell phones get a message and
[22:34] we've got a different life and the one
[22:37] we had when we walked in here you know
[22:39] so that kind of that that heart space is
[22:44] recognizing that there's not a sense of
[22:45] superiority and inferiority and you know
[22:48] I am so intact and you are falling apart
[22:50] it's a very different thing and oddly
[22:53] also I think that there's there's a
[22:55] measure of joy in in compassion that we
[22:59] often miss you know we fall into guilt
[23:02] because we have too much or we can never
[23:04] do enough or we it's that corrosive
[23:06] nature of like constant constant
[23:10] constant anger or something like that
[23:12] you know and it's like uh there's an
[23:14] element of joy we see it um we certainly
[23:17] you know I saw it in the Civil Rights
[23:19] Movement where I was a child basically
[23:21] or or you know growing up and uh you
[23:24] know you see it in the music you see it
[23:26] in the ways people come together you see
[23:28] it in in uh the
[23:30] community which was so extraordinary
[23:33] think how do people do that and it's one
[23:36] thing to look back from the vantage
[23:38] point of history and you think well yeah
[23:40] you know they made sacrifices and they
[23:42] struggled and and they were you know
[23:44] life threats and all things like that
[23:47] but they knew it was all going to work
[23:48] out okay but they didn't know it was all
[23:51] going to work out okay right I can know
[23:55] that looking back or we can know that
[23:56] looking back but we really St step into
[23:59] the unknown when we are seeking to make
[24:04] change and so how do we have that kind
[24:06] of upliftment of spirit and and that
[24:09] sense of
[24:11] Joy so that we just don't fall into a
[24:16] kind of Despair it's really it's an
[24:18] amazing realm to explore and I you know
[24:20] I see people exploring it internally of
[24:22] course is as we seek inner
[24:24] transformation I see people exploring it
[24:27] collectively as we seek to go forward
[24:30] through the many ups and downs and
[24:32] successes and failures and and so on so
[24:36] uh I'll just tell you one story um and
[24:40] then maybe lead in
[24:42] meditation um it's almost like my uh
[24:45] it's my signature story I feel like
[24:48] around when I redefine compassion and I
[24:52] see it hasn't changed and even though
[24:55] it's been many years hasn't changed so
[24:57] far in terms of
[24:59] of how I touch in on that state and I
[25:01] co-founded a retreat center in
[25:03] Massachusetts the Insight Meditation
[25:05] society and we moved into the building
[25:08] in 1976 so we were kind of barely
[25:12] going and um we were very young I was 23
[25:16] when we started the
[25:17] center and hardly knew what a mortgage
[25:20] was was kind of extraordinary looking
[25:22] back and so 3 years down the road we
[25:25] heard that the dama was coming to which
[25:29] is about 40 minutes
[25:31] away and being young and Brash we sent
[25:35] off a letter to the private office and
[25:37] we
[25:38] said we're like a Buddhist center too
[25:41] you know maybe he'd like to come here
[25:43] and to our amazement we ended up getting
[25:47] a letter back saying yeah he'll come so
[25:50] then we had a scramble you know put
[25:52] something together um even though
[25:54] Security in those days was nothing like
[25:56] it is now still it was kind of awesome
[25:59] for us the center is about 2 miles
[26:01] outside of the center of Barry Mass on a
[26:05] little street called Pleasant Street we
[26:06] had block Pleasant Street we had have
[26:09] state troopers patrolling the roof with
[26:10] guns and it was like a
[26:13] mess and just before he'd come i' been
[26:16] in a car accident and I had a broken
[26:19] bone on my foot and I was using crutches
[26:20] and so I was in the back about a 100
[26:23] people as the day came that he was going
[26:26] to
[26:27] arrive and this was like my inner
[26:30] dialogue I can't believe I'm stuck in
[26:32] the back I started the place for God's
[26:37] sake I should be in the front why am I
[26:39] in the back this is so terrible I'm way
[26:42] in the back but I'm such a clutz you
[26:44] know that if I'm in the front with these
[26:47] crutches I'll fall on my face it'll be
[26:49] totally disgraceful I better stay in the
[26:50] back oh but I'm in the back that's so
[26:53] terrible I hate being in the back but I
[26:55] can't go front you know so that was my
[26:56] inter state so
[26:59] and then his car pulled up and he got
[27:01] out in the midst of this like crazy zooy
[27:03] scene all this stuff going
[27:05] on and he often to me just seems to have
[27:08] a kind of instinct for who in the crowd
[27:10] is like suffering the most and he just
[27:12] goes there and he came up to me he cut
[27:15] through like a hundred people and he
[27:17] came up to me and he took my hand and
[27:19] looked me in the eye and he said what
[27:23] happened and that was a moment cuz I
[27:25] realized he couldn't make the injury not
[27:27] have happened and he couldn't make me
[27:30] any more skillful in my use of the
[27:32] crutches but that horrible feeling of
[27:34] being so unseen so stuck in the back so
[27:39] uncared for it was
[27:41] gone so that uh from that moment in time
[27:45] has it completely redefined my sense of
[27:49] compassion like that complete being
[27:51] there not
[27:53] no and not being able to instantly fix
[27:56] it perhaps it doesn't mean you don't do
[27:57] anything but what we do we do from a
[28:00] different place you know from that place
[28:03] of emergence in in that complete
[28:05] connection and and that itself I think
[28:07] is a source of great
[28:09] joy okay so I want to do my very
[28:11] favorite reflection with you which
[28:14] reflects my world view and a kind of
[28:18] non-sentimental sense of these states of
[28:22] of interdependence and love and
[28:25] compassion so you could just sit
[28:26] comfortably
[28:30] and I just want you to start bringing up
[28:32] to your mind anyone who's involved in
[28:36] your sitting here in this room right now
[28:38] what comes to
[28:44] mind who gave you a book or told you
[28:47] about their yoga practice or their
[28:49] meditation practice
[29:00] because really none of us is here in
[29:02] isolation we're here because of a
[29:04] Confluence of relationships connections
[29:08] causes conditions interactions
[29:12] conversations that's this moment in
[29:15] time it's like an ocean of
[29:21] connection so who comes to mind
[29:37] sometimes I do this reflection I think
[29:39] of the Board of Regents at the state of
[29:40] New York which gave me a scholarship so
[29:43] I could go to college which is how I
[29:45] ended up going to India to study
[29:47] meditation because they're part of my
[29:49] sitting here too
[29:59] and sometimes I do this reflection and I
[30:01] think
[30:03] about those people whose Behavior I find
[30:06] really quite
[30:08] obnoxious not just the irritating ones
[30:12] but those times when I feel like I've
[30:14] been brought to an edge so I almost said
[30:16] you know what I will never be
[30:19] free until I can see this in a different
[30:22] way cuz they're part of my being here
[30:25] too
[30:34] and what about the food that we've eaten
[30:36] this
[30:37] morning even if it wasn't a distinct
[30:40] Animal
[30:42] product someone planted a seed in some
[30:46] soil within which creatures
[30:49] live someone harvested that
[30:53] crop transported
[30:56] it provided it to us one way or
[31:07] another so many many
[31:10] beings make up this moment in
[31:14] time and make up every moment in time
[31:19] that is the actual nature of life that
[31:21] we're not cut
[31:23] off we're not isolated
[31:31] knowing that is
[31:33] wisdom the heart's response to that is
[31:52] compassion so thank you
[32:00] gratitude to my sisters for making this
[32:02] space possible gratitude to all of you
[32:04] for coming and sharing this space with
[32:06] all of us
[32:09] today I want to start with a story that
[32:14] uh exemplifies where I began my journey
[32:17] of activism and human
[32:24] rights about 25 years ago I was in India
[32:28] and a friend of mine was in a car
[32:29] accident and uh she had to be rushed to
[32:33] the closest hospital and it was a
[32:36] government hospital was a public
[32:37] hospital and so she was put in the
[32:39] women's Warn and um had you know severe
[32:43] uh liver injuries and stuff and it was a
[32:45] couple of days before she could be moved
[32:47] to a private hospital so a whole bunch
[32:49] of us friends created hospital duty
[32:53] together because the care was so bad
[32:55] that we needed to take turns to be there
[32:57] for her to to basically do everything
[33:00] from bed pants to changing sheets to
[33:02] just really just taking care of her so I
[33:04] did hospital duty for about uh two
[33:08] nights two or three
[33:10] nights and the and the ward that she was
[33:13] in was the burn Ward and it was full of
[33:17] young women mostly in their 20s who had
[33:21] been burned by their families or their
[33:24] husbands or you know some member sort of
[33:27] within this rubric of what I call dowy
[33:30] Related burnings and dowy deaths but
[33:32] really is just another form of violence
[33:35] against women which is pretty much a
[33:37] pandemic the biggest pandemic on this
[33:41] planet and you know there weren't enough
[33:43] beds so there were a lot of women on the
[33:45] on the floors on mattresses on the
[33:48] floors
[33:49] and they didn't have enough painkiller
[33:52] so every so those three nights were
[33:55] nights of listening to just you know
[33:58] screams of pain and moans and groaning
[34:02] and the other thing that was happening
[34:04] was that there were
[34:05] rats so all of the women who were on the
[34:08] floor were being nibbled on and eaten by
[34:13] rats and I spent you know those nights
[34:16] not taking care of my friend Hansa but
[34:18] basically running around the ward
[34:21] chasing away rats or you know trying to
[34:25] find a nurse if a woman seemed to be in
[34:28] more excruciating pain uh you know than
[34:32] any of the other women who were all in
[34:33] excruciating
[34:36] pain I cannot tell you the sense of
[34:40] Rage that I felt and that continue to
[34:45] fuel my activism for years to come that
[34:50] deep sense of just such outrage that
[34:56] this was happening to women women in the
[34:59] space that was supposed to be the safest
[35:01] space the home that this was happening
[35:04] to women at the hands of people who were
[35:07] supposed to be your nearest and your
[35:08] dearest your family
[35:11] members and I don't want to tell this
[35:13] story to sort of exoticize violence in
[35:15] India because it's really just the tip
[35:17] of the iceberg or what happens to women
[35:19] all over the world including here in the
[35:21] United States and for all of us who are
[35:24] now engaged in battle and the war on
[35:26] women you know we all know how this
[35:28] manifests
[35:30] itself um in so many different ways but
[35:33] that rage that I have carried for the
[35:36] last 30 years of my life led to the
[35:39] creation of Saki an organization in New
[35:42] York that that works with battered South
[35:43] Asian women fighting for the passage of
[35:46] the violence against women act getting
[35:48] uh you know making sure that immigrant
[35:50] women were covered becoming a part of
[35:52] the global women's movement that
[35:54] demanded that insisted that women's
[35:56] rights were human rights that actually
[35:58] by the way in case you have noticed
[36:00] women were human beings too
[36:04] um and so this this this journey of sort
[36:08] of being on the front lines bearing arms
[36:11] as a lawyer as a policy policy Advocate
[36:13] as a service delivery person as you know
[36:16] somebody who represented women um in
[36:19] in legal cases you know has was a major
[36:22] part of my life that I carried that led
[36:25] to my external and fueled my extern
[36:28] internal work also deeply damaged me
[36:32] internally because it was not possible
[36:36] to do the work with so much anger
[36:38] without that anger also hurting and
[36:40] harming who you were inside so as much
[36:43] as one Carri the arms one often turn
[36:46] those arms against
[36:49] oneself against oneself and so
[36:52] ironically my women's movement space
[36:55] because all of us carried this anger and
[36:57] pain and then brought it out within
[37:00] ourselves and towards each other started
[37:03] to become an unsafe space too and how
[37:06] ironic was it that those of us who
[37:09] fought to make the home a safe space for
[37:11] women made the space in which we did
[37:13] that organizing and unsafe space for all
[37:15] of us and if we do that reflection I
[37:20] feel that many of us who do human rights
[37:23] work who do justice work in our attempts
[37:28] at creating a safe world for the rest of
[37:31] the world have actually created unsafe
[37:35] spaces for us within our own spaces and
[37:38] so we have fights we have finger
[37:41] pointing we have backbiting we have uh
[37:45] conflicts around resources and who gets
[37:47] the money and who has the voice and who
[37:49] is the leader and whose issue is more
[37:52] important than the other person's issue
[37:53] and where is gender in your analysis and
[37:56] where is race in your analysis and where
[37:58] is class in your analysis and what
[38:00] happened to sexuality and within each
[38:03] one within sexuality we will say oh but
[38:05] then what happened to transgender people
[38:06] but I don't Define as transgender I'm
[38:08] queer oh but what about the bisexuals oh
[38:11] but what about what about what about and
[38:12] we spend all of this time and
[38:15] energy try to make the world a better
[38:18] place while we all fight to position our
[38:22] pieces of the puzzle and be seen and be
[38:25] visible for ourselves individually and
[38:27] for the work that we
[38:30] do and so here we are in
[38:33] 2012 with this outrageous set of
[38:36] circumstances around us a broken
[38:40] economy a broken environment a broken
[38:44] social structure a broken political
[38:48] system in this country and around the
[38:52] world everything around us is broken and
[38:56] yet those of us
[38:58] who have done this work for the last
[39:01] many decades or maybe some of us are new
[39:03] to it yet there are so many millions of
[39:06] us who do this work we cannot find the
[39:10] language and we do not have the vision
[39:12] and we do not have the ability to even
[39:15] articulate what an unbroken world could
[39:18] look like we don't have the ability to
[39:23] Vision to
[39:25] Envision what the other world world
[39:28] might
[39:29] be so our language and our retoric is
[39:33] still about winning
[39:35] wars picking up those arms fighting
[39:40] challenging Us Versus Them partisanship
[39:44] the left versus the right Republicans
[39:46] versus Democrats within the Democratic
[39:49] space those of us who are more
[39:50] Progressive less Progressive more
[39:52] liberal I mean we are just a mess
[40:02] we are
[40:04] also
[40:06] profoundly wise and amazing people we
[40:11] are also people who have
[40:13] brought the service of our work and
[40:16] ourselves and who we are to some vision
[40:21] of a world where values of Justice
[40:24] equality of Peace of dignity
[40:27] make us get up every morning and do the
[40:31] work that we
[40:32] do and the space that I find myself in
[40:35] today as a human rights Advocate is this
[40:39] journey of trying to figure
[40:41] out how do I bring the grace The Love
[40:47] The
[40:48] Compassion of the world that I
[40:51] imagine into my world into who I am and
[40:55] how I do my work
[40:58] and so my
[41:00] sisters are part of my journey of
[41:03] learning I do not have their words I do
[41:06] not know their practices I cannot lead
[41:08] those
[41:09] practices all I know is that my vision
[41:12] of human
[41:13] rights has to begin with the notion of
[41:17] the inherent Dignity of every human
[41:19] being on this planet that includes
[41:21] itself that human rights actually have
[41:24] to begin at home that if you want to
[41:26] manifest a world where everyone has the
[41:28] right to food shelter political opinion
[41:31] religious opinion sexual Freedom
[41:34] religious freedom all of the things a
[41:36] safe
[41:37] environment that if you want to Envision
[41:39] a world of human rights that we all want
[41:43] to see manifest that we actually really
[41:45] have to
[41:46] begin some part of that Journey with
[41:50] ourselves and with ourselves in terms of
[41:53] how we are to ourselves individually how
[41:56] we are to one another within our
[41:58] families in our workplaces in our
[42:01] communities certainly in our political
[42:07] spaces and that's really all I have to
[42:10] say thank
[42:13] [Music]
[42:22] you that's
[42:25] all well I kind of feel like I got you
[42:28] know get you all off your seats
[42:31] or
[42:34] you thank you m Leslie and Sharon when
[42:39] when we talked about how we wanted this
[42:42] to go and I mentioned for those of you
[42:44] who were here early at the very
[42:46] beginning we didn't know would it be
[42:47] five people would it be 30 people I
[42:49] think we're about 60 people so this is
[42:51] good we did want to leave some time uh
[42:54] for input not you know Q&A sure um but
[42:57] also input thoughts does this journey
[43:00] that we're describing sound familiar to
[43:02] you do these questions rattle around in
[43:05] your life how are you looking at these
[43:07] issues of um wanting to work for a more
[43:11] peaceful and just world and yet as Mal
[43:14] was talking about our rhetoric the way
[43:17] the mechanisms that we have are sort of
[43:20] uh we're outgrowing them and we need to
[43:23] create new Pathways and and and new ways
[43:27] of envisioning our activism so I want to
[43:30] open the floor it there's a couple of
[43:32] things people will say uh you really
[43:35] can't invest in the negativity you have
[43:38] to think in positive terms and put out
[43:41] there the kind of thing that you want
[43:44] and yet it feels to me that we can't be
[43:48] dishonest about what's out there in in
[43:52] reality we have to be honest about what
[43:55] is what is reality
[43:58] and then hold in in my my view hold a
[44:02] kind of a vision of where we would like
[44:05] reality to transmute too so I just like
[44:09] your thoughts on
[44:10] that I'm Rob Cole I I published oped
[44:13] news it's a Blog I started shortly
[44:16] before the War Began um and it's grown
[44:19] to so if you Google Li liberal news it
[44:22] comes up number
[44:23] one uh and before that I worked for
[44:26] decades with bio feedback and positive
[44:29] psychology but it was outrage that
[44:32] brought me to activism and I have a hard
[44:36] time struggling
[44:37] between my outrage and my activism and
[44:42] my positive psychology I used to do
[44:44] workshops on
[44:47] smiling and there's a Schism there that
[44:51] is a struggle and I'd like to hear
[44:53] because it sounds like you're further
[44:54] along that path of how do you bridge the
[44:58] two of them great thanks um I just want
[45:01] to thank you first of all I think this
[45:03] amazing panel and I think you're the
[45:05] first people that I've heard in any of
[45:06] the workshops so far to tell a story
[45:09] that isn't just about their work lives
[45:10] which is really helpful um and of for
[45:13] people who haven't just said this is
[45:14] what we did really well who admitted to
[45:17] insecure feelings or who admitted to
[45:18] some sort of difficulty and I think that
[45:20] for me one of the things and I noticed
[45:22] is a lot of cion and connectedness in
[45:24] our movement because so often we're only
[45:26] talking about winning we think we have
[45:28] to teach other people and it's very
[45:31] seldom with what we styling so I just I
[45:33] really appreciate that
[45:36] um that all said I often as an activist
[45:39] who sort of studied history and who
[45:41] studied a lot of what seems to have
[45:43] gotten results sometimes you look at the
[45:46] people out in the street and they're
[45:47] screaming for bloody murder you can say
[45:50] uh something the effect of people
[45:52] are really mad they're not going to
[45:54] stand for this they're outraged and I
[45:56] don't want to am the Tea Party per se
[45:59] but we see efficacy on that recent
[46:02] history and we also see in our history
[46:04] of the labor movement other stuff where
[46:05] things were pretty combative and we got
[46:08] results and I struggle with that
[46:10] particular tension quite a bit um and so
[46:13] I just love to hear some comments on
[46:14] that
[46:16] great I work uh with an organization
[46:19] Jewish voice for peace that um is
[46:23] considered in some ways radical because
[46:25] we Embrace this radical notion that
[46:27] there's no difference in the value of
[46:28] the life of my child Jewish child and
[46:32] and the life of my friends Palestinian
[46:34] children and it's a very intense
[46:37] emotional world that we operate in
[46:39] clearly and and we struggle with many of
[46:42] the things that you're talking about and
[46:43] I really deeply appreciate it and this
[46:45] idea of loving transformation but also
[46:48] holding power accountable and there is a
[46:51] tension here and in my world I see um
[46:55] what what I both love about what you're
[46:57] saying when I what I want to ask you
[46:59] about is the potential uh for the
[47:01] co-optation of the language of we are
[47:04] all connected and universality because I
[47:06] see that happening as well and when it
[47:08] lacks an analysis of power it it doesn't
[47:11] move us forward so how do you balance
[47:15] those uh in between signing up for this
[47:19] uh and not knowing why I was coming to
[47:20] Nets Nation I was asked to become a
[47:22] blogger for spirituality and health and
[47:24] so I'm beginning this journey but my
[47:26] work for a lot of years has been in
[47:28] publicity in public relations and so the
[47:30] questions I'm living that I'm I hope
[47:31] you'll Riff on and and think about with
[47:34] us are the sort of our spiritual
[47:36] practice tells us that we're all one and
[47:38] all the most fabulous latest hot
[47:40] storytelling story of self you know
[47:42] framing tells us to do US versus them
[47:45] the language the Lexicon the story I'm
[47:48] living um because I want to get those
[47:50] stories place is at odds with what I'm I
[47:53] what we you all have been discussing so
[47:55] in addition to sort of language and
[47:57] lexicon I'm wondering what your thoughts
[47:59] are in terms of of actually really
[48:01] fundamentally being brave enough to uh
[48:04] turn the story and how to re-educate
[48:06] reporters so that you actually can still
[48:08] grab the the headlines if you're living
[48:10] the real
[48:12] story we are at the emergence of
[48:16] something that is changing the way we do
[48:19] things so hopefully we're all going to
[48:21] be able to think about these questions
[48:22] together a lot longer than the next
[48:24] eight and now 7 and a half minutes um I
[48:27] want to just start by responding to the
[48:30] very last question about uh press and
[48:33] media and language just because it's the
[48:36] thing that I'm living in right now at
[48:37] Omega we're starting a women's
[48:39] Leadership Center that's very focused on
[48:41] talking about how we change the nature
[48:43] of power how we actually use leadership
[48:45] to do power differently power with not
[48:48] power over and we've hired a public
[48:50] relations firm and they keep you know
[48:53] throwing us these opportunities to to uh
[48:58] jump into the media game and we keep
[48:59] saying no we don't want to jump that way
[49:01] and it's really really hard because you
[49:03] want the efficacy I love that word the
[49:06] eacy of getting placed and getting seen
[49:10] But if you're going to get placed and
[49:11] seen and just reinforce that what you're
[49:13] trying to change then what are you doing
[49:15] so I think it does take a deep
[49:17] discipline uh and and that discipline
[49:20] also has to do with the ego you know
[49:22] that wanting to be seen wanting to be in
[49:24] the front of the room or the back of the
[49:25] room and what does that mean and
[49:27] sometimes sacrificing the the shortterm
[49:30] pragmatic moment for the longer term
[49:33] transformational goals and I think
[49:36] that's part of it too it's sort of how
[49:37] do we hold of both and how do we judge
[49:41] and be very Discerning in the moment is
[49:44] this a pragmatic thing I must do for the
[49:46] E efficacy of and what's the tradeoff or
[49:49] the long-term transformational vision
[49:51] and move back and forth this is not an
[49:53] either or situation I think we need to
[49:55] be living in the both ends so now who on
[49:58] the panel wants to uh respond to some of
[50:00] that
[50:02] first
[50:04] I do not for one second in my
[50:08] transformation from Rage to love and
[50:13] compassion uh want to lose a power
[50:16] analysis in my work uh I think that if
[50:20] we are to imagine a transformed world
[50:24] then that means that structures that op
[50:27] press and disempower need to be
[50:31] restructured or broken down or
[50:34] reimagined and without an understanding
[50:36] of how the structures in our lives
[50:40] perpetuate uh all of the pain that we
[50:43] are struggling against you know it's
[50:46] it's we we can't dismantle them I think
[50:50] that the both and
[50:52] approach um is about understanding that
[50:55] while we deal with structure
[50:57] of Oppression that actually each one of
[51:00] us embodies them within
[51:03] ourselves so as we dismantle that that
[51:06] is the other we're also dealing with
[51:08] ourselves individually and let me make
[51:10] that a little bit more explicit so I'm a
[51:12] woman of color I'm a woman I'm an
[51:15] immigrant I come from the global South I
[51:18] live in the United States of America I
[51:19] can create a whole narrative around my
[51:21] victimization with all of those
[51:23] identities I am also a Hindu I am also
[51:27] upper middle class I have also studied
[51:29] at all of the elite institutions in this
[51:31] college I have a law degree from n at
[51:34] this in this country I have a law degree
[51:36] from NYU and I live a life of privilege
[51:39] that is defined by my class access that
[51:44] I need to own as well so if I talk about
[51:47] myself as a human rights Advocate and I
[51:49] talk my understanding of
[51:50] intersectionality is that my
[51:53] intersections include both aspects that
[51:56] are are victimized as well as aspects
[51:59] that may victimize others and so if you
[52:03] enter the social justice
[52:06] Journey understanding that you in
[52:08] yourself hold these realities within you
[52:12] then it isn't just about the other it
[52:14] isn't just about what someone else is
[52:16] doing it's about understanding power and
[52:19] the structures of Oppression but also
[52:22] understanding how you yourself
[52:25] individually embody them benefit from
[52:28] them live with them play with them and
[52:32] so if we what that shifts for me then is
[52:36] that when I am speaking with anybody
[52:38] else they are never completely the other
[52:42] because there are always parts of me
[52:44] that are connecting with them
[52:47] either as victim or oppressor and I'm
[52:49] only using those terms because I haven't
[52:51] quite figured out how to talk about this
[52:52] in other language but I'll get to that
[52:55] um and so that's that's how I come at
[52:59] the question of power because there's a
[53:00] way in which we remove ourselves from
[53:04] that which we are trying to change and
[53:06] if we and if we always remember the
[53:09] connection then perhaps we can show up
[53:13] and do that work
[53:17] differently I look at the anger as
[53:21] important I don't want to disregard the
[53:25] anger I look at it as important but the
[53:28] anger is like fire to ignite to ignite
[53:32] the
[53:33] movement but then if that fire keeps
[53:37] burning then it can get out of control
[53:40] and do a lot of
[53:42] damage so we use the compassion like
[53:47] Gandhi and Martin Luther King that it's
[53:49] much more sustainable that love to
[53:51] transform as
[53:53] water so we have the fire and we have
[53:56] the water
[53:57] which is much more sustainable yes we
[54:00] can use the fire we can we can use that
[54:02] energy and we get results but who did we
[54:06] take down and how did it affect
[54:10] us so it's also moving from victim to
[54:14] Victor and as Harriet Tubman leading the
[54:18] slaves through slavery she could have
[54:19] easily gotten angry and probably killed
[54:23] the anger I'm sure ignited her movement
[54:26] but she was is able to use love and
[54:28] faith to lead hundreds of slaves to
[54:33] freedom so thank you leslee I I want to
[54:36] just respond to that for one second and
[54:38] then Sharon is going to end uh her
[54:41] response and end us as a panel there's a
[54:45] wonderful um I don't remember her name a
[54:49] Buddhist author who talked about the
[54:50] difference between rage and outrage
[54:53] which is this fire water difference that
[54:56] you know anger can be holy anger and it
[54:59] creates a rage and rage that's not
[55:03] filtered by
[55:04] love gets us spinning into these endless
[55:07] cycles of violence and perpetuating more
[55:10] of the same but rage that's filtered
[55:12] with love is outrage and that's the
[55:16] thing that gets you to stand up on the
[55:17] back of the bus that's the thing that
[55:19] gets you know when you're when you're
[55:22] funneling your outrage through a lens of
[55:24] love and compassion it really changes
[55:25] our process it changes our outcome so I
[55:28] always love that uh that language
[55:30] comparison and so now I'm going to turn
[55:32] it over to Sharon to give final
[55:34] responsiveness and help us close out our
[55:36] time
[55:38] together okay well I I doo hope that
[55:41] this is the beginning of a an emerging
[55:43] dialogue because I think it's
[55:45] fantastic um we can all help one another
[55:49] I think quite a lot I had written down a
[55:51] quotation from Martin Luther King Jr
[55:53] which I didn't get a chance to say which
[55:55] was power without love is reckless and
[55:58] abusive and love without power is
[56:00] sentimental and
[56:02] anemic um and I actually had a chance I
[56:06] was I spent some time with um miles
[56:08] Horton who was the founder of the
[56:10] Highlander Folk School or many of the
[56:11] civil rights leaders trained and later
[56:15] leaders of the environmental
[56:17] movement and uh he wasn't interested in
[56:19] meditation really but I asked him how he
[56:22] found resilience you know like how he
[56:23] kept on going because that is quite a
[56:26] struggle
[56:27] and and he said I go to the mountains I
[56:30] look at the mountains he said I couldn't
[56:31] do what I do without the mountains and
[56:34] then I talk because so much of what I do
[56:36] is loving kindness and compassion
[56:37] meditation and we talked about that a
[56:39] little bit and he said Marty Martin
[56:42] Luther King he said Marty used to say to
[56:44] me you got to love
[56:45] everybody and I used to say no
[56:48] way I'd say I'm only going to love the
[56:50] people who deserve to be loved and he
[56:52] said Marty shake his head and say no you
[56:55] got to love everybody
[56:57] and sometimes when I tell that story
[56:59] actually people respond with well look
[57:01] what happened you know he loved
[57:02] everybody he got assassinated as though
[57:04] that was cause and
[57:06] effect and I find that very interesting
[57:08] too you know that um instead of seeing
[57:12] love as a power we think it's just going
[57:15] to bring you
[57:16] down and and that I think is part of you
[57:20] know as though if he'd been hateful and
[57:22] vengeful and all that he would have been
[57:24] fine um you know um I I think part of
[57:28] our issue
[57:30] is it almost rehabilitating the nature
[57:33] of love and our understanding of love so
[57:36] it's not seen as uh just something so
[57:40] Meek and and Petty and understanding it
[57:43] as the the force it it actually can
[57:47] be but that you know these are questions
[57:50] it's like we're left with lots of
[57:52] questions and and uh things to look at
[57:55] and explore and I just wanted say a
[57:57] little bit about the positive psychology
[57:58] because my last book was called real
[58:01] happiness not through my choice um it
[58:04] was something it was a title the
[58:06] publisher came up with and I was like H
[58:09] I don't know if I want to get on the
[58:10] happiness
[58:11] train and uh it's a little superficial
[58:16] and then I wanted a book tour this was
[58:17] last year uh which was like you know a
[58:20] very quick succession of of lots of
[58:22] cities and I'd go places and people
[58:25] would say oh that happiness thing thing
[58:26] you know it's like so superficial it's
[58:29] so it's so uh
[58:32] selfish um it's conflict avoidant you're
[58:35] not going to look at the terrible pain
[58:36] and suffering that is you just want to
[58:38] be happy as though it was only pleasure
[58:40] seeking and city after City people would
[58:43] say to me well haven't you ever seen the
[58:44] bumper sticker that says if you're not
[58:46] depressed you're not paying
[58:48] attention and I'd say well yeah I have
[58:50] seen it and it it makes a lot of sense
[58:53] to me and besides it told me that in the
[58:54] last City but
[58:57] you know what about when we are
[59:00] depressed what about when we are we feel
[59:03] so broken so exhausted let alone brucken
[59:07] I'm just so
[59:09] tired that we feel we can't go on I mean
[59:13] that obviously doesn't serve us and it
[59:15] doesn't serve anybody else either so if
[59:18] we could um I'd like
[59:21] to um reclaim words
[59:24] actually uh it's one of the things I
[59:27] actually try to do like love or loving
[59:30] kindness like Faith Like
[59:33] compassion like
[59:35] happiness you know then I think we we
[59:37] will have a sense of a a different path
[59:41] um going forward for each of us and and
[59:44] something that we can
[59:45] share okay thank you so why don't we
[59:48] just sit together for a few moments
[1:00:02] and if you could just wish yourself
[1:00:07] well to be joyous to be
[1:00:12] resilient to be courageous
[1:00:32] everyone else
[1:00:42] here all those who've helped us be here
[1:01:03] all those who are
[1:01:22] hting and all be everyone
[1:01:38] so thank you